Season 5 Finale

After 20 spark-filled episodes, we’re wrapping up the season with a celebration! Join us as we look back at this remarkable season of spark, discuss highlights, and share just how we made this season happen. Bringing Season 5 of the Spark File podcast was a challenge. We were wrestling between our desire to make a perfect product and our hope to get as many sparks into the world as possible. 

As we planned for Season 5, one thing became clear right away: like all smart creatives, we couldn’t go it alone! So, we assembled a team of pros to help us run the nitty gritty stuff: audio production, socials, copy, transcripts. We committed to let our best B+ work get out the door. We crowdsourced a spark or two—and then something extraordinary happened: 20 episodes of hot-from-the-oven sparks were served straight into your podcast-loving headphones!

We’re so grateful to the remarkable team who helped make it all happen. But, creative friend, we also need to thank YOU! Without loyal listeners, this podcast is just a bunch of juicy ideas spoken into a microphone. We are deeply grateful for your time, attention, reviews, referrals, recommendations, and feedback, and for placing your creative trust in us for another season.

You can listen to the Spark File podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and directly on our website. 

Chapters

• 0:00 Season 5 Spark File Celebration
• 17:18 Favorite Episodes and Creative Inspiration
• 26:38 Creative Spark and Future Vision
• 34:15 Creative Vision and Community Collaboration

Transcript

The Spark File Podcast Transcript
Season 5, Episode 21: Finale

Susan Blackwell:
Welcome to The Spark File, where we believe that everyone is creative, but smart creative people don't go it alone.

Laura Camien:
I'm Laura Camien.

Susan Blackwell:
And I'm Susan Blackwell. And we are creativity coaches who help people clarify and accomplish their creative goals.

Laura Camien:
Know that just by listening to this podcast, you are joining a warm and wonderful clan of creatives.

Susan Blackwell:
But, you may be asking yourself, what exactly is a spark file?

Laura Camien:
A spark file is a place where you consistently collect all your inspirations and fascinations. Every episode we're going to reach into our personal spark files and exchange some sparks, and from time to time we're going to talk to some folks who spark us, too.

Susan Blackwell:
And your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to take some of those sparks of inspiration and make something of your own. So, without further ado, let's open up The Spark File. Laura Camien!

Laura Camien:
Oh, Susie Blackwell

Susan Blackwel:
Can you believe it

Laura Camien:
It's podcast day!

Susan Blackwell:
Not only is it podcast day, it's season finale day, season five finale baby. Season five finale.

Laura Camien:
Season five finale. Five-nally?

Susan Blackwell:
I can’t believe it. There you go. That's some strong branding.

Laura Camien:
It's what I'm here for.

Susan Blackwell:
My speciality. Laura Camien.

Laura Camien:
Oh Suze, it's hard to believe.

Susan Blackwell:
We have a little tradition around these parts. Well, we like to do a little look back at our favorite episodes of the season. Yeah, my favorite of yours, your favorite of mine and each of our favorites that we sparked.

Laura Camien:
That is right. We do do that Before we do that, and I'm down for it, I'm excited.

Laura Camien:
Let's do it. But before we celebrate, I want to celebrate some risks we took for this season.

Susan Blackwell:
We took some risks.

Laura Camien:
We made some changes.

Susan Blackwell:
We did.

Laura Camien:
And we always, it's in our nature to celebrate those things because we know it can be hard to do. It can be,scary to do. And so this season we did a few things we made. I think the biggest thing is we made our episodes shorter.

Susan Blackwell:
Yes!

Laura Camien:
which was great in a lot of ways, um, I would say, satisfactory in some. Like there were times in the longer form where we could like really, really explore a topic.

Susan Blackwell:
Well, listen, here's the truth of the matter. Before we hit record and after we hit stop, Laura and I are still talking, and if you did record it, it would be the length of our historic episodes.

Laura Camien:
So, hey, now we can do that as, like, exclusive content, where we keep talking for another hour. But you know what? That's the nature of it, because we spark each other, and then we're like, hey, you know what else, and we get excited about these topics, but we've made them shorter, we made them more like commute friendly–they're 20 to 30  minutes. And then, another thing that we did this season that I'm really proud of. We have Tim Baase to thank for this, and James Compton. We added transcripts to these episodes onto our website.

Susan Blackwell:
Yeah, we've wanted to do that from the beginning, when the great Angela Johnson, who is an accessibility expert, met with us right here on the Spark File podcast and we were exploring ways that we could make the podcast accessible, and I'm so excited that, because of our rock steady podcast team, we have been able to do that. I love that.

Laura Camien:
Yeah, I'm really proud of that. I'm very happy, and they all live on like an individual page on our website. Each episode has its own little page with you know, further resources and blurbs, and the transcript.

Susan Blackwell:
Ye olde transcript, Yay. Anything else about experiments, or can we dive into? A little–

Laura Camien:
I love that, I  just wanted to celebrate those I'm in need of like some celebration of all the the good things that that we're doing, that other people are doing.

Susan Blackwell:
I appreciate that and to take a moment to celebrate that, like with the transcripts, it took us to season five to be able to have the resources to get that done. And that’s advancement!

Laura Camien:
I think it's important just to note these two, like recovering people-pleasing perfectionists allowed ourselves to keep moving forward, like throughout this whole process, without the perfection of it being every single thing we envisioned it being, and we're just going step by step.

Susan Blackwell:
So, yes, B+ work out the door. You know, I also and I was having a conversation today about B+ work out the door, which is a phrase that we have mutated from Kara Lowentheill, who is a really who is a really really great coach specializing in thought work, and she went to Ivy League school. So she says A- work out the door. We say B+.

Laura Camien:
We went to state school.

Susan Blackwell:
That's right, but we also, I saw this great clip of Liz Gilbert on a podcast, the great Liz Gilbert, who wrote Big Magic and Eat Pray Love, and she was talking about how people who get things done it's not just that sort of B plus work out the door or A- if you're Kara Lowentheill, it's also self-forgiveness.

Laura Camien:
Yes, self-forgiveness.

Susan Blackwell:
Yes, self-forgiveness and being like this is good enough, and this is not a strong recommendation to listen to this podcast, but, for example, being able to launch the podcast and when we had the support and the resources, we were able to add the transcript piece, which is really. I know that these dreams may seem very mundane to you, listener, but that's something we dreamed of from the launch, and so it took us years to get there.

Laura Camien:
But that yeah, self-forgiveness is important you know, across the board, in terms of any all of our creativity, to allow ourselves to be like…Well, that isn't the best that I've ever done, and it isn't the best I'm ever going to do, and I just need to keep going.

Susan Blackwell:
It’s a draft for today. Yeah.

Laura Camien:
And I think that's true of some of the. You know we'll get into our favorite episodes, but honestly, that's true of some of our episodes where we're like… wow, I didn't quite hit the mark on that one. That one didn't live up to what I wanted it to be in my mind.

Susan Blackwell:
What if we did? This was we did a post-mortem to season five, and we were like here's our notes for ourselves.

Laura Camien:
Okay, let's do that season six. Notes to self.

Susan Blackwell:
Maybe not. Can we share each other's favorite episodes?

Laura Camien:
Yes!

Susan Blackwell:
May I go first?

Laura Camien:
Oh, please do.

Susan Blackwell:
I want to tell you that, of the many quality sparks that you presented to me throughout the course of season five, there were actually two… I couldn't pick one favorite, wow. So I picked two favorites, and they were Moral Distress Signal, where I learned the term moral distress from you, and Join the Joiners, where you explored the research and the work around the importance of community.

Laura Camien:
Oh my gosh, thank you, thank you. I am proud of those and they feel particularly resonant right now.

Susan Blackwell:
I think that’s why they were really sticky for me. Number one, moral distress that episode and you defining that term gave language to something that I have felt, many of us have probably felt, but it articulated it, which is so helpful Sometimes, just having language for something and being able to communicate it and having somebody else go…yes, yes, that makes sense! It unlocks something. So, I love that.

Laura Camien:
I felt that when I discovered that term, personally, I felt that I was like, thank you, that describes it. And now I understand why, like it's more than just anxiety, it's more than just anger, it's more than just confusion, it's all of these things and all mixed in with powerlessness.

Susan Blackwell:
So for people that are too lazy to go back and listen to that episode, Laura Camien, will you remind us of moral distress?

Laura Camien:
Yeah, moral distress, It actually was originated in sort of the medical community when describing when a doctor or nurse knows exactly what they need to do to help a patient or save a patient but is powerless to do that based on rules, regulations, bureaucracy, legal you know, ramifications, et cetera.

Susan Blackwell:
Yeah.

Laura Camien:
And how frustrating and enraging that can be, that they're like…ah, I, I know what to do, I can't do it. And this term, then, especially over the pandemic, began to spread to a larger understanding in terms of our culture and feeling outraged and angry and frustrated about what is happening in our government, what is happening in our communities around us, and feeling like we, we know, like if it were up to us, we know how we could help with more love and empathy and compassion for others right, but we're powerless. We feel power—we're just watching this happen. And I wish that moral distress was. I wish we could reflect back and say, yeah, when you did that back in October, that felt really relevant, not so much now, but unfortunately I feel like it's only ringing like a bell even louder now.

Susan Blackwell:
Here we are, and Join the Joiners, if I can jump over to that favorite spark, a spark of yours that feels super relevant because we are in this time is Mr Toad's Wild Ride and I think it's going to be this way for quite a while, and to be able to cultivate and turn to community that feels safe and sane and uplifting, feels so important not just to combat the epidemic of loneliness that our nation is facing but also to combat the batshit craziness that our nation is facing. So those two things have been like twin arm floaties, just kind of keeping me afloat.

Laura Camien:
Oh, Suze, I'm just thank you. I'm glad you brought that up and anyone who hasn't listened to that episode yet.

Susan Blackwell:
Shame on you.

Laura Camien:
Yeah, please do, because it really is research-based how community will save us, like in real life community right now, even on Zoom, if you do it right. People gathering together to play games, work together on a project share common values, make art.

Susan Blackwell:
Join the Spark File!

Laura Camien:
Join the Spark File, all of it matters and the fact that we have moved to such an online existence and an isolated society. There's research to state, like going back to the 1950s. We've seen this, the concept of community deteriorating, and it has. We're seeing the results of it now. It has literally torn us apart and weakened our country. And I mean, just to loop in a couple other episodes thematically, but your Reaching Out episode had, like I felt such a kinship with that. It felt so relevant as well, like cause. I think we're suffering from this isolation.

Susan Blackwell:
Yeah.

Laura Camien:
And and even the most recent Blue Man Group episode. Blue man Group was talking about urban isolation. Not talking about it, but, you know, performing about it back in the 1990s, before the internet, before these social medias, even you know, continued to drive a wedge between human beings and our authentic connection with each other. So it seems so interesting when I look at this season in particular, tere's like a little thread that has woven amongst so many of our episodes. And on that note, Suze, if you don't mind, can I switch over to my favorite episode of yours?

Susan Blackwell:
What For me?

Laura Camien:
Yes, I feel like. Well, you had a string of episodes where I think I teased you because I loved it, like where you were sort of crowdsourcing your sparks and I loved it, but the first one that you did on it. It was not just the crowdsourcing that I loved, but another one of the themes that wove its way through this season was grief.

Susan Blackwell:
Our old friend grief.

Laura Camien:
You know we had an episode about grief losing my dad, followed by the gift of the episode Learnings from Gavin Creel.

Susan Blackwell:
Thanks, Laura—

Laura Camien:
It was the embodiment of, when in pain and when in grief, how to pour it into the making of something beautiful. Just a beautiful gift for others and a beautiful tribute to Gavin. And you did that by reaching out to people, connecting to other people, gathering stories from so many people, adding your own stories, just really amplifying the light, like not just shining the light on Gavin Creel, but doing it like holding a mirror to his light so that it would be amplified to the world and I was so moved by that episode, Suze.

Susan Blackwell:
Thank you, Laura Camien. Thank you and thanks to all the people who contributed to that episode.

Laura Camien:
Beautifully done. Absolutely, it was such a gift.

Susan Blackwell:
Speaking of crowdsourcing my sparks, thanks to all the people who contributed to my sparks throughout the season. It was a fun game that I was playing to reach out to people, because it's like when a teacher gives a good, open-ended assignment. It's so fun and so surprising. The things that people came back with that were so unexpected and so delightful. So thank you for all of your contributions the ones that made it onto the podcast and the ones that were just wonderful and shared on social media. It made it so fun, and I'm going to keep doing it. I'm going to keep doing it.

Laura Camien:
Yeah, I hope you do. I may do it from time to time as well. So fun, and it makes it makes me feel so connected, even, even in our grief you know, to to know, as we talked about in the grief episode, it is a it is not a process, but a presence that is going to float in and out of our lives at any given time. Any moment is going to revisit one both of us, our listeners, and so having these sort of, what feels like kind of ongoing conversations with listeners and people in our world it just makes me feel just all the more connected.

Susan Blackwell:
Yeah.

Laura Camien:
Yeah, I loved it for that reason. So good, Susie, so good.

Susan Blackwell:
What was your favorite episode that you did?

Laura Camien:
I don't know if favorite is the one, but there's just there's one—

Susan Blackwell:
Sophie's Choice, baby. Sophie's Choice.

Laura Camien:
Well, going all the way back, the way back. Let me just tell you how I'm voting on the favorite. It's based on the thing that lingers with me. Sometimes it's like… oh, things I wish I had said during that episode, but I don't think I did say, or this idea just keeps spinning round and round. Maybe I need a volume two. Maybe I need a volume two, but way back, episode one, Certainty Versus Creativity.

Susan Blackwell:
Oh my God, how could I forget that that? Might also be a three-way tie for me. I love that episode.

Laura Camien:
The book…It came from the book Wellness by Nathan Hill, and there was one line in this book and what makes me laugh about this is this is the briefest line in the book. The book is about, you know,  2,000 pages long. It is a beast!

Susan Blackwell:
It's a great book.

Laura Camien:
I loved it, but it is massive. But there is one line in there. After wondering for quite some time in this book, I'm like how's he going to weave all this together? This is crazy. I mean, it's all fascinating, but this is crazy. And it all comes together, for me personally, in a line where he says, “You can choose to be certain or you can choose to be alive.” And I have ruminated on this. I have ruminated on this so much, Susan. I see it every day. It's in the random little…like you'll overhear someone at a restaurant and being like, oh, I think I might want to try the chicken, but I don't know if I'll like it. Like well, there's only one way to know.

Susan Blackwell:
Order the chicken, be alive.

Laura Camien: :
But that's the silliest example. Way more important are the examples like…I want to love this person, but I don't know if they'll love me back. I want to make this thing, but I don't know if it's going to be good. And friends, friends, friends, the temptation to move towards certainty/safety, is only going to keep us exactly where we are. We have to choose to be alive, and so many of us right now, but think about how uncertain everything feels right now. Yeah, for those of us who are choosing to keep our eyes open and be, alive. That was a goodie.

Susan Blackwell:
Thank you, Laura.

Laura Camien:
I liked it. What about you?

Susan Blackwell:
Well, I loved What Would Gavin Do? Like that was. That to me felt like an art project where I was collaging together. So that was. That was a special one to me. But since we already talked about that, I would probably say my Menopause and Creativity episode because it's so important to me right now and I think, based on the response that I received from listeners, it sounds like I am not alone and I appreciated the feeling that I am not alone. So thank you to everybody who reached out, and I have continued to think more…I think I'm going to create curriculum around this because I think that for a certain type of person and for the people who love those persons, I think it's really relevant how our menopause and our creativity relate to one another and I'm just fascinated by it. I’m really fucking fascinated by it.

Laura Camien:
Suze, me too, and one of the things I really loved about what you did in that episode is that you made it so real and relevant to people–even people who are not at any risk of ever going through menopause themselves, but know people love people who are going at any risk of ever going through menopause themselves, but no people love people who are going to go through menopause. So it makes to me the way you shared that information. It makes it so much easier for people to have empathy for, you know, my mom did go through a time where we all thought she had lost her fucking mind. Or, yeah, those years with mom were weird. Hey, is it possible mom was going through menopause and going through a really difficult time? Or how about that coworker down the hall that everybody like is getting so annoyed with because A, B or C, you know? Um, is it possible that person is struggling through menopause? Might we be able to have a little more empathy, a little more compassion, a little more understanding about what women throughout history have gone through, with little to no support from the medical community.

Susan Blackwell:
Yeah, and I also love the idea of if you are somebody who is entering into this or you're in the thick of it, you're experiencing it the awareness that you are still capable of vibrant work. Absolutely, that work may change from what it looked like and what you were excited about making, you know five years ago,  years ago,  years ago, so granting ourselves the grace and the flexibility to let that shift happen. So that was also a favorite of mine and, just like a little update in case anybody cares, I feel like since we recorded that episode, I have learned more. I have calibrated my medication with the help of my doctor, calibrated my medication so that I am feeling better, more and more myself, and so I just wanted to offer that to anybody who's listening, who is despairing because it can be a rough ride that there is… There is hope, and it requires personal agency and research and conversations and a really, really good doctor acting as your partner in all of this, but there's positive change available.

Laura Camien:
Yes, Susan, thank you for that. Cause I think you really did just now, and also in that episode, really offer hope.

Susan Blackwell:
Hope! I have a few little baby updates Tell me Just little baby updates in our time remaining. So this is so so fucking specific, but I have discovered a paint and it is such a great paint that I feel like this is—

Laura Camien:
The world must know about it.

Susan Blackwell:
The world must know I bought this myself. This is not an ad. This is not a paid endorsement. I discovered a paint. It is manufactured and shipped from the United Kingdom, so it was a little bit of an investment. I thought about it for about a year before I pulled the trigger and made the purchase, and I have to tell you, this paint has brought me so much delight using it, working with it,  It is wonderful, made to be used in harsh weather conditions, which is to say it's incredibly durable, It’s used for memorial stones, but the story behind it is so interesting. The first thing that I was aware of though they have a full color line was a paint called Craig's Gold, and it looks like gold leaf. It looks like real gold on the letters on a memorial stone. And here's the story behind it, which I think is what a spark. What a spark to make paint “Gold Farben Limited. Founder Grant Penfield's younger brother, craig, tragically passed away in . In conversation with Craig's Memorial, mason Grant realized the need for a bespoke gold paint that would look as good as gold leaf and withstand years of weathering without losing its brilliance. Several years of development and testing ensued as Grant endeavored to create a legacy for his sibling. The result Craig's Gold Leaf.

Laura Camien:
Wow.

Susan Blackwell:
So that's the spark of how this paint came to be developed and made and distributed, which I thought was a beautiful spark. It's incredible, and the paint top notch… It is top tier.

Laura Camien:
What are you making with it?

Susan Blackwell:
Purses, shoes, frames, you name it what. And I'm telling you, I don't know how to recommend this highly enough. It is such high quality paint, it's durable, it's flexible. The finish is unbelievable. And it's an investment, but it's one that I'm so happy that I made.

Laura Camien:
Oh, this is good to know. I cannot wait to see some of the things that you painted.

Susan Blackwell:
And again, not a paid promotion. They don't know that I'm saying these words right now.

Laura Camien:
Not yet, anyway.

Susan Blackwell:
I love the spark, I love. I'm so thankful to Goldfarben for creating this paint. I love it so much so I just wanted to shout them out.

Laura Camien:
So good. Thank you for that.

Susan Blackwell:
I also wanted to shout out…this is a spark that you did years ago and just this morning I finished the book Lincoln and the Bardo by George Saunders. Wow, so that is a spark with a long fuse, Laura Camien, that book rocked my socks and I wanted to thank you for that spark. I especially want to recommend the audio book. The book is narrated by Ron Swanson himself, Nick Offerman, David Sedaris and a cast of 165  people.

Laura Camien:
You know, I might need to listen to it.

Susan Blackwell:
If you're hungry for a delicious, sparky treat, listen to the audio book of Lincoln and the Bardo. And I want to warn you and I want to warn anyone listening to this. The first chapters are challenging in audio book form. You're not sure who the character is, who's speaking, you're not sure….There's a lot of what I first perceived as interruptions, where they cite the sources of every single thing that is said. I was just like, oh, this is going to be some hard going.

Laura Camien:
Susan, it's hard in the book as well, where you're just reading it because it's not a source down at the bottom of the page.

Susan Blackwell:
I offer this to anybody who's interested in listening to this incredible audio book. I listened to the first chapter. I listened to the second chapter. I was like, ooh, this is rough Online. I Googled George Saunders. There's a YouTube video where George Saunders helps you to understand how to read or listen to his book. And then I listened to that. I went back to the beginning and I was like piece of cake, wow.

Laura Camien:
Wow. Yeah. That's awesome.

Susan Blackwell:
Another smarter person might just listen to the first chapter. Stay focused, go back and start again and keep going.

Laura Camien:
What was the advice he gave in terms of like here's how to listen to it?

Susan Blackwell:
He acknowledges how many people have come up to him and said yeah, I tried to start your book and I couldn't. And he was like so let me tell you how to get into this book. So he lets you know that the first passages you're not sure. Is this Lincoln who's talking? Is this a different character? Who's talking?

Susan Blackwell:
So he just gives you a few clues and tips to let you know how to take it in, and what you're about to run into if you approach this book. It was a little bit like Shakespeare in a way, Once I got into the swing and the shimmy and the flow of it. Laura, I love this book.

Laura Camien:
Ah! I'm so happy.

Susan Blackwell:
And I have already gone back to the beginning and started to listen to it again. It's so good.

Laura Camien:
Okay, I'm definitely going to listen to it after the book I'm listening to right now. That is awesome. And I think it's incredible that you have been listening to it this week, unbeknownst to me, because I have been thinking about Lincoln and the Bardo, and in particular the Bardo quite a bit lately. Yeah, as we record this, we are heading into the final week of Blue Man Group at the Astor Place Theater in New York, and one of the things that I keep mentioning to Wes just to talk about endings and beginnings. The Bardo is that one place between death and rebirth, and so to anyone out there who is feeling this, you know, right now, like something is ending in their life, but the new thing has not yet emerged. You're just in the bardo. We're just in the bardo right now. We're in the liminal space, we're going to find our way, and the new beautiful phoenix is going to rise from the ashes. And for us at the Spark File, I mean, we actually have a new beginning that starts on February 6th, our next cohort of Blaze!

Susan Blackwell:
We sure do!

Laura Camien:
So if you’re in the Bardo, and you’re like… how do I get out of the bardo? Help me lift up and out and let me have my rebirth. Let me get a vision for my future that is positive, that is hopeful, that is energized and creative and creative blaze could blaze could help people listen. There's a lot of ways to do it, so I didn't mean to make that into a sales pitch, but while we're here, it is a sales pitch. Come and join us. I think this is going to air right like literally right before, but if you are listening to this around, you know, in the first week of February, at any point, give us a call.

Susan Blackwell:
You want to slide under the closing door, just like Indiana Jones.

Laura Camien:
Oh, my God, yes.

Susan Blackwell:
It is shaping up to be a remarkable group of creatives and humans, really warm, wonderful people, who are making all different kinds of things.

Laura Camien:
I got to say Susan, and I'm just going to be like I don't know, I don't want to. Can we take credit for it or not? I don't know, but somehow the most remarkable people always show up. Always show up because I hear us talking right before every cohort and we're like how is this the most extraordinary group of people? And we felt that last time and we felt that last time it is like a magnet for really kind, really socially and emotionally intelligent, self-aware, talented, visionary, like people who have a vision for something that they want to create and just need some support in making it happen.

Susan Blackwell:
And if you're listening to this right now and you're like, well, damn, ladies, that's not me, we disagree.

Laura Camien:
It's you too. That's the thing, because all the people that we like what we just described, none of those people would describe themselves that way. Oh no.

Susan Blackwell:
Oh, no, you're right, but You're right, but Because they're also fairly humble.

Laura Camien:
Yeah.

Susan Blackwell:
So you're right.

Laura Camien:
You're right, it's extraordinary, but please come join us.

Susan Blackwell:
Come join us and if you want, more information, go to thesparkfile. com and there's links to the Blaze info page and there's links to…You want to meet with us to talk about what you might work on in Blaze?

Laura Camien:
Give us a holler, give us a holler and friends, whether or not Blaze is right for you right now, some other time, we have some really fun stuff in store for this year, for 2025.  We have decided we are keeping our chins up, we're keeping our eyes on the prize, we're focusing on community, we're focusing on creativity and we're leaning into the power of both of those things. And when you combine creativity and community, how mind-blowingly powerful it can be what good we might do in the world this year. So, keep an eye out. We've got things up our sleeves, so stick with us, and we promise you a season six that comes far sooner than season five did.

Susan Blackwell:
Did we mention B+ work out the door? I think that's it. That's it. This episode of the Spark File was made on the lands of the Lenape and the Mohican people and, as always, we hope it put another bunch of sparks in your file. Hey, listen, if there's a spark you'd like us to explore or if you'd like to learn more about how to coach with us to accomplish your creative goals, email getcreative@ thesparkfile. com or reach us through our website, thesparkfile. com.

Laura Camien:
Hey, we will even happily take your feedback, but you know the price of admission. First you got to share a creative risk that you've taken recently.

Susan Blackwell:
You can follow us on social @ thesparkfile and be sure to subscribe, rate and five-star review this podcast. It really helps other listeners to find us. Also, If you like this podcast, we hope you'll share it with people that you love. And if you didn't like it, get down…Get down real close to that opening of the sewer. Get down in there. There's somebody down there who wants to talk to you.

Laura Camien:
If something lights you up and gets your creative sparks flying, we are writing you a forever permission slip to make that thing that's been knocking at your door. It is your turn to take that spark and fan it into a flame.

Susan Blackwell:
You know you gotta take it…

Both:
And make it!

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